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1964Sg Member	posted 07-16-2004 08:49 AM Its like calling ozzy Jesus. Heavy metal is where telentless satan worshipers play distorted power chords and scream. I have no problem with it, but I wouldnt be influenced towards God with heavy metal. Just like i wouldnt be scared of the ballet gangs in west side story. IP: Logged
ChristianMetal Member	posted 07-17-2004 01:11 PM So what does influence you towards God? Do you think the things that influenced you are better than the things that are bringing the metal community to God? God taught us to go to the sinners and preach the Good News. We have to teach it in a way that they can understand, without sinning ourselves... I've personally witnessed many, many people come to know the Lord through Christian Metal!! [This message has been edited by ChristianMetal (edited 07-17-2004).] IP: Logged
greener Member	posted 07-22-2004 03:04 PM Hmmm... That's a very judgemental statement you've made there. Playing power cords and screaming out the lyrics doesn't make a person a "Satan Worshipper" any more than singing "Old-time quartet/country gospel" makes one a beer guzzling drunkard in the saloons from which that genre originated. The message is in the lyrics NOT the music. It is also in the heart of the Artist. How many teenagers today do you think will sit through an hour (or even 5 seconds) of a gospel quartet concert? But I've seen enough lives changed through Christian rock music to know that it is a valid part of God's Ministry, (one of the various parts of His Body, you might say.) Perhaps you think the music of Jimmy Swaggert was more "Christian"? His life certainly didn't show it. As I recall he was also very vocal about his opposition to Christian rock music. I'm willing to bet that the fact that he was so eager to try and tear down other ministries, led to his eventual fall from grace. We can only hope now that he has repented, thousands of his admirers were not disillusioned from following Christ by his bad example! Please don't call a person a "Satan Worshipper" just because you don't like the kind of music they play. It's not very nice! IP: Logged
Blewis Member	posted 07-30-2004 10:18 AM i am a teenager and metal and hard rock is mostly what i listen too. would you rather i listen to someone like nine inch nails and marieln manson or someone that is a christian metal band. my dad has a thinking like yours that it is still evil but if you look at the lyrics and they're heart is in the right place then their ministry will reach more teens than gospel and slower stuff IP: Logged
surrender_to_win! Active Member	posted 08-04-2004 10:54 PM I am 17 years old. Rock is what I listen to. Its normal. I love the christian bands, because of the message they send through their lyrics, and through the way that they live their lives off the stage. Rock and Roll is usually associated with sex,drugs, and alcohol, but if you just look at the example that is set by the music artists, there is no way to say that just because their songs are fast paces with power chords, and sometimes even screaming, that they are satan worshipers. Jesus is Lord and Savior!!! Peace out-Bryne from Roswell IP: Logged
Warlordsof Faith Member	posted 08-16-2004 05:48 PM It might be a bright idea to think a bit before you initiate such a silly comment.I am 38 in one month. i can tell you now that the reason we have lost the youth of this country is because we have failed to connect to them in a language they understand. If things were done with the same attitude as you have we would be casting off a whole section of people. I was heavily into some of the dodgy groups as a young 22 yr old. I needed a way of expelling the anger and frustration of a disappointing life. I was made victim by a few bad attitude people with bad lyrical aspirations. IF I HAD HEARD SOME DECENT CHRISTIAN HEAVY METAL, I MAY HAVE COME TO GOD A LOT EASIER AND A LOT SOONER IP: Logged
d_nice Active Member	posted 08-16-2004 10:10 PM i was gonna make a comment, but it looks like you are handeling it. right on IP: Logged
i_lov_EverydaySunday Member	posted 09-04-2004 12:20 PM nope not an oxymoron, i'll have to agree w/ everyone else. it does say in scripture to go out in every nation and every culture w/ the word of God. It shows thoes satonic ppl that being christain doesn't mean u have to change your style completely, though thare are things u still gotta let go of. IP: Logged
JahFreak Member	posted 09-16-2004 09:57 PM Mark 16:15 (N.I.V.) says: He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation" - we are commanded to reach out to the lost people and tell them about God what His word says. Isiah 28:11 (N.I.V.) says: Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to his people - "strange" and "foreign"? heh, I guess it's a stretch, but you could say this genre fits with that. good Christian bands have had it laid on their hearts by God to write/play the stuff they do, and it reaches so many people, saved and not... Psalms 150:1-6 - it was too much to type out, but baisically it says to praise the Lord however we can, using "the harp and lyre", "cymbols", "tambourines" and "trumpets". verse 5 even says "resounding symbols", and that means loud ... read on... re·sound - 1.To be filled with sound 2.To make a loud, long, or reverberating sound 3.To sound loudly; ring http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/r/r0180000.html IP: Logged
NewChristianandProud Member	posted 11-23-2004 01:06 PM I am 19 years old and I just recently (3 1/2 months ago) gave my heart to the Lord and I use to listen to all of the secular music that represented Satan, such as Marilyn Manson, Mudvayne, Pantera, Tool, etc. I am very thankful for Christian rock music because ever since I have been old enough to understand music, I have listened to rock and now I can still listen to my style of music without disgracing God or Jesus. It doesn't matter what chord is played or how loud the voices are, it is all about who they are representing with the music and if they are representing the most High, why criticize them for their way to express their love for Him? IP: Logged
Frank the Tank Member	posted 12-12-2004 12:55 PM I find this post very offensive. You sir are an ingnorant idiot. HEavy metal started when a blues band, Black Sabbath, changed there style of music because of a common intrest in the occult (which christains made up so that they could burn witch at teh stake). The form of Satanism they posed to follow was not Gothic Stanism, they were more followers on the church of satan (a religion with teachings simmilar the Christain chuch, contrary to populart beleif) For more info on teh goto www.religioustolerance.org. NWOBHM (new wave of british heavy metal, the first style of metal) died out and was fused with punk in the early 80's by motorhead, making thrash metal. Later in the 80's Yngwie Malmsteen came around and fused metal with Classical music making a new subgenre of metal called "Neoclassical" THis is where most christains get mixed up. In the late 80's a guy named Chuck Schuldiner came around and invented Death metal, with his band Death. At age 26 chuck converted from being Angnostic to Christinanity, but still made death metal. His works were very technical and complex, he was far from talentless. If a christain makes death metal , is it evil? If it was invented by a christain is it evil? This brings me to my second point. To call all metalhead talentless proves that you are ignorant. I, myself, being a musicain do not judge whole genres that I cannot appriate, rather I say it does not work for me and move on. In every genre of music there are good and bad musicians. To assum satanism is wrong is also very stupid. Your freaking religion made it up to burn women for witchcraft. Last time I checked Lieing and Murder were both sins. You can preach that metal is bad, but first you must know somthing about it. Sorry for my spelling- english is not my first langauge. [This message has been edited by Frank the Tank (edited 12-12-2004).] IP: Logged
Miezel Member	posted 12-16-2004 06:40 AM I agree, why don't people see that very few bands are satanic and that the ones there are, are almost all in the black metal scene, and that the rest is just atheistical? An atheist is not evil in whatever aspect, he's just neutral and doubtful. I personally care little regarding the message behind bands, I listen to a lot of NSBM (national socialistic black metal), and it would be the last thing to agree with. The music is just extraordinarily complicated and deep. In stead of saying "it's christian, thus good", I rather say it's bad for that, since I prefer no theological messages in music. When I want to read lyrics I prefer lyrics that are dealing with landscapes and impressions. [This message has been edited by Miezel (edited 12-16-2004).] [This message has been edited by Miezel (edited 12-17-2004).] IP: Logged
hearken Member	posted 12-27-2004 12:22 PM NO IT ISN'T sorry bout that didn't mean to yell. that statement was made uninformatively. you must listen to contemporary music. no offense intended. IP: Logged
ChristianGoth Member	posted 02-21-2005 01:35 PM Ummm How is Christian Heavy Metal an "oxymoron"? Just because Christians have put Lyrics to music of the secular Heavy Metal it makes it an oxymoron ? I think whats an oxymoron is Someone calling Barney the purple dinosaur a heavy metal artist.....LOL Now that would be interesting......Anyway before you go critizing bands and generes because its not " Lamb of God , Lacuna Coil, Shadows Fall, Senses Fail." you should listen to some Christian Heavy Metal for example. Extol , Living Sacrifice , Underoath....They are perfect examples. IP: Logged
ChristianGoth Member	posted 02-21-2005 02:02 PM If any of you that say Christian Metal is an "Oxymoron" want to hear some good stuff you might like listen to a band called Holy Blood you be surprized when u hear them that they're Christian but they are. IP: Logged
Miezel Member	posted 02-23-2005 02:01 PM Extol tries to make black metal, what a bunch of losers! Xtians making black metal is like an anti-semitic jew :S anyways, they totally miss the point of black metal and are just brutal music with an xtian message. black metal has nothing to do with brutality, and on top of that, Extol have a good production! If BM has a good production, it's not BM anymore! IP: Logged
jesusfreak22 Member	posted 03-15-2005 04:44 AM Hello I am not pointing fingers just saying that heavy metal and rock and screaming can save pepole... Its like a language everyone has a language they understand some dont even understand music as there language. It could be anything to me it is heavt metal and rock I found this place looking for heavy metal.... Look some pepole just have to listen ot the screaming and gets whats out of it..... You look at the heart9 of the song, the words... what iy means...... i am 11 IP: Logged
Miezel Member	posted 03-18-2005 10:40 AM How do you mean save people? IP: Logged
chicken boy Member	posted 04-28-2005 01:30 PM I'm in a christian metal band and I actually don't really like being called a satin worshiper. I'm not. And another thing. Have you ever even played a guitar? Metal isn't for the untalented my friend. I definetly agree with most of the people that have replied to this post. As long as it has a positive christian message, it's ok. You definetly don't have to be all "Praise the Lord!" and stuff like that to be christian. Ever listened to demon hunter? I'm thinkin you havn't but if you ever do listen to the song Coffin Builder. Chorus "Have mercy on me, Have mercy on me, Have mercy on me for every thorn I've driven in." Hmmmm. I'm thinkin that's not very satanic. I just don't like it when people make comments or assumtions like that when they have nothing to back it up with. Peace out. IP: Logged
Miezel Member	posted 05-09-2005 01:55 AM "As long as it has a positive christian message, it's ok." And why is it not ok if it does not have a christian message? IP: Logged
ChristianMetal Member	posted 05-20-2005 07:31 PM Before I answer your question and start a theological debate, riddle me this... If you don't want to talk about mostly Christian bands with Christian lyrics, why are you posting on ChristianMusic.org at all? Are you just trying to cause trouble? There are several non-Christian bands that I like too, but I'm not here to promote or discuss them. Why don't you get with the program? [This message has been edited by ChristianMetal (edited 05-20-2005).] IP: Logged
chicken boy Member	posted 05-21-2005 07:09 AM Ha. I second that opinion. IP: Logged
Hislivingdead Member	posted 05-27-2005 09:13 PM i would have to say that the guy who started this has to be an idiot, for one he is up against "generation X". which has pretty much grown on that type of music. so yeah you kind of stuck your hand in a viper pit if you know what i mean... IP: Logged
i_luv_my_tigar Active Member	posted 05-31-2005 12:18 PM Oh my Gosh that's like saying Marylin Manson is singing the same stuff as Christians... are u mad??? Like I believe that there's really no such thing as Christian music and secular music... it's alll in the lyrics... there are Christian lyrics that glorify God and there are secular lyrics that may be against God or in Marylin's case cause you to do things that u woulkdn't usually do... for example those three girls who killed a nun... not saying it was ALL the music's fault but it definitely played a big part in it... anyways I definitly DO NOT believe that just the electric guitar is turned up really loud and playin power chords and the people scream that they are creating as much destruction as secular singers. There are different kinds of people who appreciate different types of music, so different bands cater to everyone's taste. If being a Christian means u only listen to hymns(not dissin up hymns... they were good for their time) then a lot of people would be turned off by that. There is the older crowd who appreciates the hymns actually we all should because the words are great, but and there is the crowd that appreciates modern music... that would be us! It's just a different style of music that allows many teens who love metal to listen to it w/ Christian lyrics!!! IP: Logged
Beanteaser Member	posted 06-23-2005 09:20 AM 1964Sg must understand the error of his ideas since he can't defend himself! hehe IP: Logged
imblankinoutonaname Active Member	posted 01-16-2006 02:34 PM No, it's not really an oxymoron. Considering the lyrics are about God, it can't be. IP: Logged
ho_excel Member	posted 01-28-2006 06:39 AM Let me tell you guys something... I remember something like this that I read from a book. Rick Warrens "Purpose Driven Life" There is no such thing as heavenly music or secular music, the one that exists are heavenly lyrics and secular lyrics. I traslated this from Indonesian, sorry if it doesn't says exactly as it says on the book. And... I agree with Rick Warren... It doesn't matter what kind of music you play. The thing that matter is wether your music pleases the LORD Himself or not.... Keep Rockin' for GOD people!! GOD BLESS!! IP: Logged
RFT Member	posted 02-19-2006 03:31 PM Apparently 1964Sg has not listened to good Heavy Metal bands that have guitar solos in their songs and are not "(talentless) satan worshipers (that)play distorted power chords and (that also)scream. Long Live Heavy Metal!!! [Note: Notice the spelling correction of "telentless".] IP: Logged
MetalForJesus Member	posted 03-07-2006 01:58 AM No it is NOT an oxymoron. Read what I say about this issue at http://www.metalforjesus.org/friorfoe.html Music is what you make it, no music style is evil in itself. IP: Logged
imblankinoutonaname Active Member	posted 04-20-2006 09:07 AM Amen. IP: Logged
punkrockprincess89 Member	posted 04-21-2006 04:02 PM I am a 16 year old that wondered often if the music i was listening to is something that god and jesus would feel comfortable liseting to. That is what my parents always told me to ask myslef if i ever questioned anything i was doing. I wsa always trying to find some metal group that i could listen to that was appropriate and christian like. I was not able to find anything because of the lyrics so a lady from my church took it upon herself to find some bands that were metal that i could listen to and so she did and i am so much more at peace with myself knowing that i could listen to these bands in teh presence of our lord and not be ashamed of myslef!! So like many people have said on the topic already it is not the music it is the lyrics!! IP: Logged
saved_my_life Member	posted 05-12-2006 05:41 PM Christian metel Rox!!! With out it I would not have met the best guy I know, or connected with God. It is a serious turn on to God for the teenage level... don't insult one of the best draw ins for christianity!!! IP: Logged
lastMartyrs Member	posted 07-23-2007 02:23 PM I think that Christians can use any music style they like saying metal is for saturn worshipers is like saying 'Christians are boring' which we are not. I just asked for the heaviest Christian rock song I could find because I find they can touch the metal listerners IP: Logged
lastMartyrs Member	posted 07-23-2007 02:23 PM I think that Christians can use any music style they like saying metal is for saturn worshipers is like saying 'Christians are boring' which we are not. I just asked for the heaviest Christian rock song I could find because I find they can touch the metal listerners IP: Logged

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